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ac1d
Wiadomość [#561]: 04.10.2011 o 23:54

Dołączył: 07.10.2010 o 14:11


Dagaen napisał
Shadow wyraźnie napisał, że ma zastrzeżenie do map 4osobowych. I równie wyraźnie (przynajmniej dla mnie) podał Shakuras Plateau jako przykład pozytywny - mapy czteroosobowej z ułatwionym scoutingiem.


tak, wiem, potrafie czytac, niemniej nie podal DOKLADNIE ktora drone wysyla na scout. na pytanie o doprecyzowanie spotkalem sie z "czytanie = tech" -.- takie forum, co poradzic.

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ShadowDancer
Wiadomość [#562]: 05.10.2011 o 21:47

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Dołączył: 04.08.2008 o 10:28


Jakbyś miał pojęcie w temacie, to wiedziałbyś, że w zvz scoutuje się z 10 drony (właśnie z powodu 9 pooli). Skoro nie wiedziałeś, widocznie nie oczekiwałem od Ciebie odpowiedzi - na początku posta zaznaczyłem wyraźnie o jaki MU mi chodzi, więc założyłem, że wszyscy zorientowani w temacie wiedzą.

// Bez urazy, chodzi mi po prostu o czysto techniczne aspekty ;)

[Edycja ShadowDancer - 05.10.2011 o 15:27]

Na forach sc2 wywiązała się długa dyskusja, jednak 90% to spam jakich roślinek które chyba nie zadały sobie trudu, aby zrozumieć mój problem. Pojawił się też post Kapelususa:


1) Działa to w dwie strony. Z losowymi pozycjami czasem trudniej wyscautować rusha, ale chronią one także przed większością szybkich ataków. Np. przy z góry wiadomych pozycjach startowych niebezpieczeństwo ze strony proxy czy cannon rusha jest znacznie większe.
2) Wolimy rozgrywkę, w której gracze są niejako zmuszeni do przeprowadzania wczesnego zwiadu, a nie grania w ciemno z góry obranych strategii bez potrzeby szybkiego odnalezienia przeciwnika i wybrania optymalnej taktyki.




ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL
No co się gapisz? Fajnej sygnatury nie widziałeś?

Piszę poprawnie po polsku i Zanim napiszesz
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Nie ma to jak dźwięk wystrzału działa oblężniczego, pod warunkiem, że strzelają nasi smiley.gif
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Sulphuriell
Wiadomość [#563]: 05.10.2011 o 22:31

Dołączył: 13.05.2010 o 21:40


Co do jednego to faktycznie blizz ma rację - na mapach, na których łatwo się scoutuje jest grane najwięcej rushogówna. Najwięcej rushy to gra się na XelNadze, bo łatwo jest znaleźć przeciwnika.



Co to za świat, że już nawet sku rwysyństwo nie popłaca?
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Zythus
Wiadomość [#564]: 28.11.2011 o 21:49

Dołączył: 11.11.2011 o 17:29
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Widzę, że mało osób się tu udziela, a mam pytanka dot. zergów (może laickie, ale 3 dni dopiero gram w SC2 ;p):
1. Stawianie 2 extractorów na raz - muszę zaznaczyć w drony i wklepać polecenia z shiftem? Bo narazie zaznaczam jednego i extract, potem drugiego i extract.
2. Kontra na mass marauder/marine/medivac? Próbowałem speedlingami i fungale też poleciały, ale nie dałem rady zafungalować wszystkich marine, a medivaci (chyba z 5) leczyło zfungalowanych. Muta chyba też zbytnio nie wchodzi w grę (zwłaszcza bez upów)/?

[Edycja Zythus - 28.11.2011 o 21:50]

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ShadowDancer
Wiadomość [#565]: 28.11.2011 o 22:00

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Dołączył: 04.08.2008 o 10:28


Speedlingi + fungal, albo speedling/baneling. Ogólnie jak gra same mmsy, to jest luz. Tylko najpierw fungaluj, a potem atakuj speedlingami, jak już trochę oberwą. No i nie zapomnij o upach.



ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL
No co się gapisz? Fajnej sygnatury nie widziałeś?

Piszę poprawnie po polsku i Zanim napiszesz
Project Hybrid : The First Recon (RPG/survival, download ).

Nie ma to jak dźwięk wystrzału działa oblężniczego, pod warunkiem, że strzelają nasi smiley.gif
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Kris7
Wiadomość [#566]: 28.11.2011 o 22:02

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Dołączył: 03.04.2010 o 17:17
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Zythus napisał
Widzę, że mało osób się tu udziela, a mam pytanka dot. zergów (może laickie, ale 3 dni dopiero gram w SC2 ;p):
1. Stawianie 2 extractorów na raz - muszę zaznaczyć w drony i wklepać polecenia z shiftem? Bo narazie zaznaczam jednego i extract, potem drugiego i extract.
2. Kontra na mass marauder/marine/medivac? Próbowałem speedlingami i fungale też poleciały, ale nie dałem rady zafungalować wszystkich marine, a medivaci (chyba z 5) leczyło zfungalowanych. Muta chyba też zbytnio nie wchodzi w grę (zwłaszcza bez upów)/?

[Edycja Zythus - 28.11.2011 o 21:50]


a skróty klawiaturowe znasz? podstawy bindowania jednostek? biorąc pod uwagę nieduży staż w tej grze domyslam się, że na oba pytania odpowiadasz przecząco. Moja rada- zagraj sobie kilka razy z komputerem (najslabszym) i rób wszystko za pomocą skrótów. Możesz poświęcić całą partję na zapamiętanie 2 lub 3 skrótów bo bez tego to ani rush smiley.gif



do not cry about the balance before you know how to play your race.
I'm not a nub, I'm gosu of tomorrow...

nie rozmawiam z debilami
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Zythus
Wiadomość [#567]: 29.11.2011 o 06:40

Dołączył: 11.11.2011 o 17:29
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To pykne z tym botem najwyżej i zobacze co i jak z extractorami smiley.gif
W zasadzie jakbym nie uczył się od samiuśkiego początku grać z hotkeyami to chyba byłbym na 50 miejscu albo gorzej :/
Szkoda że nie potrafie wyczuć fungali na marines'ów, bo zazwyczaj speedlingi dobiegają do nich a infesty dochodzą później.
Muszę pomyśleć jeszcze o burrowie dla infestorów...

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Dagaen
Wiadomość [#568]: 29.11.2011 o 09:09

Dołączył: 04.06.2009 o 17:26
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A co do budowy extractorów - nie musisz zaznaczać po jednym dronie. Jeżeli zaznaczysz grupę i każesz zbudować extractor, to pójdzie tylko jeden.



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ShadowDancer
Wiadomość [#569]: 30.11.2011 o 15:44

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Dołączył: 04.08.2008 o 10:28


Zythus:
Burrow to podstawa, a infestory po prostu trzymaj na innym hotkeyu - lingami atakujesz już jak większość marines już padnie.



ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL
No co się gapisz? Fajnej sygnatury nie widziałeś?

Piszę poprawnie po polsku i Zanim napiszesz
Project Hybrid : The First Recon (RPG/survival, download ).

Nie ma to jak dźwięk wystrzału działa oblężniczego, pod warunkiem, że strzelają nasi smiley.gif
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Zythus
Wiadomość [#570]: 05.12.2011 o 21:22

Dołączył: 11.11.2011 o 17:29
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Tak, zacząłem tak robić. Natomiast o burrow, grając infestorami, ciągle zapominam, a to dość fajna umiejętność. W każdym razie infestorami lubię grać, ale bardziej wolę mutaling wink.gif

I znowu zła kontra. Na mass stalkery + kilka colossow, robiłem roache, infestory i speedlingi. Nie wyszlo, moja armia została zmiażdżona. Myślę, że podobnie byłoby z banelingami (nawet bym nie doszedł, 4-5 kolosów z tyłu) i z mutaliskami. Co mogłoby zadziałać? Hydraliski i speedlingi? A może ultraliski?

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Marksman
Wiadomość [#571]: 05.12.2011 o 22:29

Dołączył: 30.05.2011 o 13:55


Przy ling infestor pamiętaj o szybkich upgradach smiley.gif

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Rafus
Wiadomość [#572]: 05.12.2011 o 23:04

Dołączył: 25.11.2010 o 12:55
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na coloosy stalkery o ja bym dal corruptory i roache ;) odpowiednia ilosc corruptorw rozwali w try miga colosy ;)
nie graj hydraliskow na collosy bo sie stopia jak maslo na słoncu smiley.gif

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CDRrLAME
Wiadomość [#573]: 06.12.2011 o 13:46

Dołączył: 23.03.2011 o 13:12


Zythus napisał
Tak, zacząłem tak robić. Natomiast o burrow, grając infestorami, ciągle zapominam, a to dość fajna umiejętność. W każdym razie infestorami lubię grać, ale bardziej wolę mutaling wink.gif

I znowu zła kontra. Na mass stalkery + kilka colossow, robiłem roache, infestory i speedlingi. Nie wyszlo, moja armia została zmiażdżona. Myślę, że podobnie byłoby z banelingami (nawet bym nie doszedł, 4-5 kolosów z tyłu) i z mutaliskami. Co mogłoby zadziałać? Hydraliski i speedlingi? A może ultraliski?

Corruptory na colosy, a roache i infestory na stalkery (fungal, bo Cię zamikruje blinkiem).

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ShadowDancer
Wiadomość [#574]: 06.12.2011 o 13:48

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Dołączył: 04.08.2008 o 10:28


Jak nie ma blinka, to robisz 200/200 zerglingów, ile masz gazu to morfujesz do baneli, pakujesz do ovka i do widzenia. Gorzej jak ma binka, wtedy może się próbować binkować i mogą być potrzebne corruptory na colo (no i cracklingi). Dobre jest też hydralisk - roach/ultralisk - infestor/corruptor. Lepsze są infestory i ultraliski, tylko trzeba się dobrze ustawić.



ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL
No co się gapisz? Fajnej sygnatury nie widziałeś?

Piszę poprawnie po polsku i Zanim napiszesz
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Nie ma to jak dźwięk wystrzału działa oblężniczego, pod warunkiem, że strzelają nasi smiley.gif
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